好傷心, 我的帖在台灣被封殺了(玩錶的苦與樂)-PP製造日期算法206樓

watch-fan-5016P

說一說心聲都不可以, 居然把我的帖給刪了, 還刪了兩次, 看起來好像這裡比較民主些, 發了那麼多帖從來沒被封殺過

watch-fan-5016P

我再愛錶族好一陣子, 從來不欺人, 現在台灣某些表友把我行容成惡人, 說我幫大陸錶友買錶, 賺他們錢還自己作業績, 說我幫你們買錶比我買還貴? 真不知這裡有沒有喊冤? 有沒有人被我騙過?

說大陸對我比較好,  我說台灣真的這麼沒有人情味嗎?

說一些以前買表的不愉快跟朋友分享, 也不行

台灣某些表店卻實欺人, 不但不認帳, 還連合Watchbus 將我的帖封殺, 真是傷心, 看來我真的要幫來大陸住

mushitoufa

我觉着大lu去hk tw旅游都是些大户。。人家喜欢给大手大脚的人服务。。所以自然怠慢那种比较喜欢bargain在乎价格的理智型客户哈

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看看這文, 到底是誰欺負誰? 去台灣買錶要小心

Anne-Laure Briffod 收件者'lai' 副本WU SHANG Mr. Liu Ceasar (pp.taiwan@gmail.com)     Dear Sir,

Please accept our apology for the misinformation received from our Taiwanese retailer. We shall undertake, together with our local Distributor, the necessary action in order not to repeat such incident.

Again, we do assure you that the watch you have purchased is new and the reason why the sealed plastic has been opened is because your watch has been checked by our local Service Center prior to delivery.

We have taken good note of your comments regarding our price policy.

For your information, avaibility for such model in Switzerland is between 12 to 18 months.

This morning, we spoke over the phone with our Distributor, Wu Shang Trading. We understood that you have been able to speak with our retailer Pro Hopetime who has clarified the situation on his side.

Yours sincerly,

Anne-Laure Briffod
Commercial Department
anne-laure.briffod@patek.com

Patek Philippe S.A.
Chemin du Pont-du-Centenaire 141
CH - 1228 Plan-les-Ouates
tél. +41 22 884 20 20
fax +41 22 884 25 46
http://www.patek.com




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De :  lai [mailto:@yahoo.com.tw]
Envoyé : vendredi, 14. mars 2008 01:30
À : Anne-Laure Briffod
Objet : Re: TR: 5074


Dear Anne Laure:

The dealer in Taiwan did not tell the truth before it sold the watch to me. This is not a good behavior. I am not very happy about this as a Patek Philippe customer. The reason that I bought the watch from your company is your company's reputation. How can customer trust your company's policy and reputation if you are not going to do anything about it. Customer needs to send back their watch for maintenance during every 3-5year. In my situation, I watch will need maintenance very soon although you say it is a new watch.   The dealer in taiwan open the seal plastic   and reseal it back to cheat the customer.  This is not very good way to treat your customer. I believe your company is a very good company. Are you going to allow your dealer to cheat the customers again and again.

For the price policy, The price will not have big diffence between different countries for regular model although there is tax issue problem. 5074RG is listed for $540,000CHF in 2008, However, the list price was around $669,655 in 2007 in Taiwan.  $669,655 - $540,000 = $129,655 . The price difference 1n 2008 will be $129,655 CHF + around 12% price hike in 2008. The tax is quite low( aroud 5%) in Taiwan. It should not make a big difference in price.  99% of models only have a little price difference between different countries. Why Minute Repeaters's price does make a big difference in different countries.  In this case, who is going to buy watch in Taiwan? This may create a problem for your company. Only case I know is China market because these is a high import tax in China, not in Taiwan. The price has around 20-30% difference between China and Taiwan. Also, I don't understand why Wu Shang Trading Co will not give customer a quote when I ask how much is the list price. It also refuse to tell me the produce year of my 5074. Many customers are not very happy about your local Distributor in Taiwan.


Thank you for your reply



Lai




----- 原始信件 ----
寄件者： Anne-Laure Briffod <Anne-Laure.Briffod@patek.com>
收件者： "@yahoo.com.tw" <@yahoo.com.tw>
寄件日期： 2008/3/13(星期四) 下午10:56:13
主　旨： TR: 5074

 Dear Sir,

We thank you for the copy of the Certificate of Origin.

It is correct that this watch has been manufactured in the course of 2006 and was shipped to our Distributor Wu Shang Trading Co. in Taiwan during the same year.
As you know, Wu Shang Trading Co. is our local Distributor supplying 18 official retailers all over Taiwan with our watches.

5074R is a Great Complication and prior to validate any sale, we ask all our dealers to inform us about the customer who is interested in purchasing such a timepiece. As long as we do not give our green light (which means our approval) they cannot sell such a watch. This is what happened with this particular reference.

Just for your information, for such Minute Repeaters, some customers have to wait several years as yearly production is very limited and demand extremely strong.
Through the watch stayed for nearly 18 months between Wu Shang Trading hands we can assure you that it is new and your are definitely the first owner.

Regarding your question about local prices, there are several factors that can explain the price difference between Switzerland and Taiwan (or any other country), such as local VAT, GST or sales taxes, Import duties, exchange rate fluctuations etc....

We would like to take this opportunity to congratulate you for your purchase and we are extremely pleased to count you among Patek Philippe Minute Repeaters owners.

Yours sincerly,

Anne-Laure Briffod
Commercial Department
anne-laure.briffod@patek.com

Patek Philippe S.A.
Chemin du Pont-du-Centenaire 141
CH - 1228 Plan-les-Ouates
tél. +41 22 884 20 20
fax +41 22 884 25 46
http://www.patek.com



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
De :  lai [mailto:@yahoo.com.tw]
Envoyé : jeudi, 13. mars 2008 03:02
&Agrave; : Anne-Laure Briffod
Objet : Re: 5074


Dear Anne-Laure:

Sorry forget the attachment.  I am email the document to you now. Is this Ok to send you the document.  Thank  you for your attention.

Sincerely,

Lai




----- 原始信件 ----
寄件者： Anne-Laure Briffod <Anne-Laure.Briffod@patek.com>
收件者： "@yahoo.com.tw" <@yahoo.com.tw>
寄件日期： 2008/3/12(星期三) 下午4:41:54
主　旨： 5074


Dear Sir,

In order to conduct further investigation regarding your 5074, we need to know the individual number of your watch.

Therefore, we would highly appreciate if you could fax us a copy of the Certificate of Origin that you normally received along with the watch.

With Best Regards,

Anne-Laure Briffod
Commercial Department
anne-laure.briffod@patek.com

Patek Philippe S.A.
Chemin du Pont-du-Centenaire 141
CH - 1228 Plan-les-Ouates
tél. +41 22 884 20 20
fax +41 22 884 25 46
http://www.patek.com

watch-fan-5016P

看看這文, 到底是誰欺負誰?

Anne-Laure Briffod 收件者'lai' 副本WU SHANG Mr. Liu Ceasar (pp.taiwan@gmail.com)     Dear Sir,

Please accept our apology for the misinformation received from our Taiwanese retailer. We shall undertake, together with our local Distributor, the necessary action in order not to repeat such incident.

Again, we do assure you that the watch you have purchased is new and the reason why the sealed plastic has been opened is because your watch has been checked by our local Service Center prior to delivery.

We have taken good note of your comments regarding our price policy.

For your information, avaibility for such model in Switzerland is between 12 to 18 months.

This morning, we spoke over the phone with our Distributor, Wu Shang Trading. We understood that you have been able to speak with our retailer Pro Hopetime who has clarified the situation on his side.

Yours sincerly,

Anne-Laure Briffod
Commercial Department
anne-laure.briffod@patek.com

Patek Philippe S.A.
Chemin du Pont-du-Centenaire 141
CH - 1228 Plan-les-Ouates
tél. +41 22 884 20 20
fax +41 22 884 25 46
http://www.patek.com




--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
De :  lai [mailto:@yahoo.com.tw]
Envoyé : vendredi, 14. mars 2008 01:30
&Agrave; : Anne-Laure Briffod
Objet : Re: TR: 5074


Dear Anne Laure:

The dealer in Taiwan did not tell the truth before it sold the watch to me. This is not a good behavior. I am not very happy about this as a Patek Philippe customer. The reason that I bought the watch from your company is your company's reputation. How can customer trust your company's policy and reputation if you are not going to do anything about it. Customer needs to send back their watch for maintenance during every 3-5year. In my situation, I watch will need maintenance very soon although you say it is a new watch.   The dealer in taiwan open the seal plastic   and reseal it back to cheat the customer.  This is not very good way to treat your customer. I believe your company is a very good company. Are you going to allow your dealer to cheat the customers again and again.

For the price policy, The price will not have big diffence between different countries for regular model although there is tax issue problem. 5074RG is listed for $540,000CHF in 2008, However, the list price was around $669,655 in 2007 in Taiwan.  $669,655 - $540,000 = $129,655 . The price difference 1n 2008 will be $129,655 CHF + around 12% price hike in 2008. The tax is quite low( aroud 5%) in Taiwan. It should not make a big difference in price.  99% of models only have a little price difference between different countries. Why Minute Repeaters's price does make a big difference in different countries.  In this case, who is going to buy watch in Taiwan? This may create a problem for your company. Only case I know is China market because these is a high import tax in China, not in Taiwan. The price has around 20-30% difference between China and Taiwan. Also, I don't understand why Wu Shang Trading Co will not give customer a quote when I ask how much is the list price. It also refuse to tell me the produce year of my 5074. Many customers are not very happy about your local Distributor in Taiwan.


Thank you for your reply



Lai




----- 原始信件 ----
寄件者： Anne-Laure Briffod <Anne-Laure.Briffod@patek.com>
收件者： "@yahoo.com.tw" <@yahoo.com.tw>
寄件日期： 2008/3/13(星期四) 下午10:56:13
主　旨： TR: 5074

 Dear Sir,

We thank you for the copy of the Certificate of Origin.

It is correct that this watch has been manufactured in the course of 2006 and was shipped to our Distributor Wu Shang Trading Co. in Taiwan during the same year.
As you know, Wu Shang Trading Co. is our local Distributor supplying 18 official retailers all over Taiwan with our watches.

5074R is a Great Complication and prior to validate any sale, we ask all our dealers to inform us about the customer who is interested in purchasing such a timepiece. As long as we do not give our green light (which means our approval) they cannot sell such a watch. This is what happened with this particular reference.

Just for your information, for such Minute Repeaters, some customers have to wait several years as yearly production is very limited and demand extremely strong.
Through the watch stayed for nearly 18 months between Wu Shang Trading hands we can assure you that it is new and your are definitely the first owner.

Regarding your question about local prices, there are several factors that can explain the price difference between Switzerland and Taiwan (or any other country), such as local VAT, GST or sales taxes, Import duties, exchange rate fluctuations etc....

We would like to take this opportunity to congratulate you for your purchase and we are extremely pleased to count you among Patek Philippe Minute Repeaters owners.

Yours sincerly,

Anne-Laure Briffod
Commercial Department
anne-laure.briffod@patek.com

Patek Philippe S.A.
Chemin du Pont-du-Centenaire 141
CH - 1228 Plan-les-Ouates
tél. +41 22 884 20 20
fax +41 22 884 25 46
http://www.patek.com



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
De :  lai [mailto:@yahoo.com.tw]
Envoyé : jeudi, 13. mars 2008 03:02
&Agrave; : Anne-Laure Briffod
Objet : Re: 5074


Dear Anne-Laure:

Sorry forget the attachment.  I am email the document to you now. Is this Ok to send you the document.  Thank  you for your attention.

Sincerely,

Lai




----- 原始信件 ----
寄件者： Anne-Laure Briffod <Anne-Laure.Briffod@patek.com>
收件者： "@yahoo.com.tw" <@yahoo.com.tw>
寄件日期： 2008/3/12(星期三) 下午4:41:54
主　旨： 5074


Dear Sir,

In order to conduct further investigation regarding your 5074, we need to know the individual number of your watch.

Therefore, we would highly appreciate if you could fax us a copy of the Certificate of Origin that you normally received along with the watch.

With Best Regards,

Anne-Laure Briffod
Commercial Department
anne-laure.briffod@patek.com

Patek Philippe S.A.
Chemin du Pont-du-Centenaire 141
CH - 1228 Plan-les-Ouates
tél. +41 22 884 20 20
fax +41 22 884 25 46
http://www.patek.com

loveyummy

汗。。。印象里这种事是不应该在台湾发生的，毕竟台湾是相对讲法制的地方。

xenocide

watch-fan-5016P 发表于 2013-5-17 00:34
我再愛錶族好一陣子, 從來不欺人, 現在台灣某些表友把我行容成惡人, 說我幫大陸錶友買錶, 賺他們錢還自己作 ...

大概是酸葡萄心理在作怪吧~

天天游泳的鱼

英文的看不懂

vsc7969

赖桑加油！

meshowspirit

楼主，这表你不会已经买了吧？退不掉了？
这价格比沙龙都贵这么多，你这么聪明的人，不可能要的啊。
我一次去沙龙买表，告诉我不可能买到sealed的表，说一定要先check过，才会卖给客户。所以要是retailer这么和PP说是什么为了检查手表开了5074的袋子，PP肯定袒护。
我觉得这事没甚么办法了，无奈。。。

YAZI11

内容好多，好长。。。
总之支持LZ啊。。。

devil110

why^^^^^^^6……………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………

gkdcn

买到了一个不太容易买到的手表。。然后发现自己成为了冤大头。。你就发牢骚了啊？？
那你完全可以不再台湾买啊。。。在买之前。。钱是在你口袋里面的啊。。
反正就是一个愿打一个愿挨

等PP

gkdcn 发表于 2013-5-17 11:29
买到了一个不太容易买到的手表。。然后发现自己成为了冤大头。。你就发牢骚了啊？？
那你完全可以不再台湾 ...

麻烦去看看楼主以前的帖子再评论。 我相信，楼主不是这样的人。

watch-fan-5016P

meshowspirit 发表于 2013-5-17 10:01
楼主，这表你不会已经买了吧？退不掉了？
这价格比沙龙都贵这么多，你这么聪明的人，不可能要的啊。
我一 ...

那是在2008年的事, 那時沒經驗, 所以不但被當冤大頭, 還被氣得半死

那就是後來我為什麼寫如何買PP給大家看

希望從"如何買PP"得到寶貴經驗的錶友, 多支持

watch-fan-5016P

天天游泳的鱼 发表于 2013-5-17 08:46
英文的看不懂

不好意思,  因為這是證據

內容是說, 在我2008年沒經驗下, 在台北一家表店買5074R, 被錶店騙了, 那是2006年的舊表, 有被別人玩過, 聽說表還是被其他錶友退回, 但賣方騙我是在2008底前會到的表

不是說三問表要審核 , 才能買得到嗎? 但恰恰相反, 我的表是早在二年前, 就已經在台灣被別人把玩過的表

是在被欺騙之下而買的表, 跟錶店和總代理溝通無效, 最後鬧上PP總公司

watch-fan-5016P

等PP 发表于 2013-5-17 15:15
我相信，楼主不是这样的人。

感謝你對我的支持

watch-fan-5016P

gkdcn 发表于 2013-5-17 11:29
买到了一个不太容易买到的手表。。然后发现自己成为了冤大头。。你就发牢骚了啊？？
那你完全可以不再台湾 ...

那是欺騙, 說這故事是要新手注意, 錶商不讓我發表, 聯合Watchbus 站長, 除了我的帖兩次, 他們不但說謊還刪帖


我是個怎樣的人, 看我發的文就知道

等PP

watch-fan-5016P 发表于 2013-5-17 15:28
感謝你對我的支持

老A走了以后，这里明显冷清许多。经历上次的事件，主席5016的长贴也不见了。先生的帖子营养丰富，一直回来看看。

maezs

安慰下下。。。放心、迟早给丫小岛收回来。。。到时候给你出气:'(