朗格从腕表本身尤其机芯做工来说已经超越PP。

蓝薄荷

美酒加咖啡 发表于 2012-4-22 01:14
跟着狗爷看热闹

不明真相的无知群众跟着二位版主看热闹。。。:L

美酒加咖啡

蓝薄荷 发表于 2012-4-23 19:22
不明真相的无知群众跟着二位版主看热闹。。。

来当替死鬼？

蓝薄荷

美酒加咖啡 发表于 2012-4-23 19:23
来当替死鬼？

太歹毒了。。。:a15

美酒加咖啡

蓝薄荷 发表于 2012-4-23 19:27
太歹毒了。。。

你自投罗网的[s:101]

kirkwang

weirei 发表于 2012-4-23 19:02
现在说的超级复杂功能一般是什么？ 有专门定义吗？  比如托飞轮万年历？  虚心请教一下

鄙人说的是AP在超级复杂款上一点都不输PP，不是说他一般。看贴请仔细，另外如果文学水平低，字认不全，可以找亲戚朋友帮忙，实在不行，如果掌握了拼音，还可以寻求网络支持。
但再怎么争来争去，和AL不搭界

kirkwang

weirei 发表于 2012-4-23 19:02
现在说的超级复杂功能一般是什么？ 有专门定义吗？  比如托飞轮万年历？  虚心请教一下

鄙人说的是AP在超级复杂款上一点都不输PP，不是说他一般。看贴请仔细，另外如果文学水平低，字认不全，可以找亲戚朋友帮忙，实在不行，如果掌握了拼音，还可以寻求网络支持。
但再怎么争来争去，和AL不搭界

美酒加咖啡

avr 发表于 2012-4-23 22:59
为何没人写Pp超越谁谁谁？

一直被追赶，从来没超越

超越自我[s:95]

amuro.ray

kirkwang 发表于 2012-4-24 02:33
鄙人说的是AP在超级复杂款上一点都不输PP，不是说他一般。看贴请仔细，另外如果文学水平低，字认不全，可 ...

人家虚心请教超级复杂功能“一般”是指哪些功能。你反应那么大干嘛？看贴请仔细，另外如果文学水平低，字认不全，可以找亲戚朋友帮忙，实在不行，如果掌握了拼音，还可以寻求网络支持。;P

weirei

kirkwang 发表于 2012-4-24 02:33
鄙人说的是AP在超级复杂款上一点都不输PP，不是说他一般。看贴请仔细，另外如果文学水平低，字认不全，可 ...

觉得您讨论这个话题可以开阔大家眼界，一直一来还是饶有兴致的跟踪学习。
我不是任何一个品牌的粉丝，本来只是请教一下对超级复杂有没有统一的定义（不针对任何品牌），在以后的收藏中注意收一块。为了避免误会，还特意加上虚心请教
不想您已经草木皆兵，见人就咬。实在是不解

zozozozo

什么三问,飞轮,万年,润年,年月日,星期,计时,月相,能有的功能全上去,也许就是超复杂.呵呵,

但我不完全赞同, 比如宝玑那款行星式并联双体陀飞轮机械表,就美到赞,
顺路给个连接,http://www.iwatch365.com/thread-16957199-1-1.html

zozozozo

宝玑那款行星式并联双体陀飞轮机械表,,谁又能说它是超级复杂或不是呢??但事实上,就表的艺术,,我认为这已经做到了极致,,,,如果一味追求复杂才是艺术就歪曲了表的艺术..

amuro.ray

weirei 发表于 2012-4-24 11:41
觉得您讨论这个话题可以开阔大家眼界，一直一来还是饶有兴致的跟踪学习。
我不是任何一个品牌的粉丝，本 ...

复杂功能按顺序大致是三问,星像图,活动人偶,万年历,陀飞轮,跳字,飞返计时,等等,如果一块表集成了以上功能一种以上,就是超级复杂款项了.

kirkwang

weirei 发表于 2012-4-24 11:41
觉得您讨论这个话题可以开阔大家眼界，一直一来还是饶有兴致的跟踪学习。
我不是任何一个品牌的粉丝，本 ...

对不起，昨天晚上喝多了，看贴时字都认不全了。早上起来看到自己回的愚蠢贴，吓得一身冷汗。但论坛又没有RECALL功能。再一次的深表歉意

流动如风

说宝玑没有高复杂款那也是井底之蛙了，宝玑陀飞轮+万年历的也有好几款，表展上我亲眼见到，陀飞轮万年三问的也不是没有，只是款式比PP少点而已，要说超复杂，那积家也排的上号。表的品牌好不好不能光看机芯复杂与否，这是个综合性的问题，我觉得品牌在欧洲的影响力还是最有说明力的。在欧洲目前就是PP第一BG第二，其他都排后面的。
AL一直用这IWC的技术只能说是IWC的豪华版而已。机芯做的漂亮是漂亮了，技术还是差瑞士技术不少距离，别的不说，机芯做不小就一直是它的硬伤。无非是现在流行大表厚表，以后如果流行小表薄表了，AL就完蛋了。但正装表对尺寸的要求，使的AL目前无法得到社会名流的认可。

流动如风

在看看不那么专业的老美的排名：
Rank #1 Patek Philippe
Rank #2 Blancpain
Rank #3 Vacheron Constantin
Rank #4 Breguet
Rank #5 Audemars Piguet
Rank #6 A.Lange&Sohne
Rank #7 Ulysse Nardin
Rank #8 Piaget

Rank #1 Patek Philippe
Patek Philippe
Rank #1
Overall score 100
Avg Price $52,064
Founded in 1839
Origin Switzerland
Craftsmanship 9.9
Reliability 9.9
Investment 9.9
Recognition 8.24

Patek Philipp is ranked #1 at watchesranking.com in High end Luxury category.

Editor's Review: When one speaks with watch collectors, dealers, and enthusiasts from all walks of life, one brand is consistently singled out as being "the Rolls-Royce of watches". Like that esteemed auto manufacturer, it is a name that has become synonymous with perfection, exclusivity and the finest craftsmanship. The company is Patek Philippe, and its history offers a compelling insight into how this unique, family-held watch company has dominated the Swiss watch industry for over 160 years.

Rank #2 Blancpain
Blancpain
Rank #2
Overall score 99.2
Avg Price $53,816
Founded in 1735
Origin Switzerland
Craftsmanship 9.6
Reliability 9.7
Investment 9.7
Recognition 8.69

Blancpain is ranked #2 at watchesranking.com in High end Luxury category.

Editor's Review: Blancpain is a Swiss watch manufacturer, founded in 1735 by Jehan-Jaques Blancpain. Blancpain is currently owned by the Swatch Group along with other famous brands like Omega and Breguet. Nick Hayek, the son of Swatch Group's founder and chairman, Nicolas Hayek, is running Blancpain. Less than 10,000 are created a year and each watchmaker is given the ability to personally build a complete watch rather than line production. Blancpain watches are elegant and stylish and true to the company slogan, "Since 1735, there has never been a quartz Blancpain watch. And there never will be."

Rank #3 Vacheron Constantin
Vacheron Constantin
Rank #3
Overall score 98.2
Avg Price $59,698
Founded in 1755
Origin Switzerland
Craftsmanship 9.9
Reliability 9.9
Investment 9.9
Recognition 6.57

Vacheron Constantin is ranked #3 at watchesranking.com in High end Luxury category

Editor's Review: The world?s oldest watch manufacturer in continuous operation since 1755 and the founder of the spirit of technical and precious Haute Horlogerie, Vacheron Constantin has been making horological history for over 250 years. From the beginning, it has concentrated on building and consolidating its tradition for technical and aesthetic excellence. This is best illustrated by its timepieces, whose hand-finishing is of an exceptional quality.

Rank #4 Breguet
Breguet
Rank #4
Overall score 97.9
Avg Price $56,634
Founded in 1775
Origin Switzerland
Craftsmanship 9.8
Reliability 9.9
Investment 9.8
Recognition 6.68

Breguet is ranked #4 at watchesranking.com in High end Luxury category

Editor's Review: Breguet was founded in 1775 by Abraham-Louis Breguet in Paris, France. The founder married the daughter of a prosperous French bourgeois and her dowry helped finance his first workshop.Firstly manufacturing pocket watches the watchmaker coined many world firsts before 1800 including the first self winding watch, invention of the gong spring and the anti shock device. In 1801 they celebrated the patent of the tourbillon regulator and in 1810 manufactured their first wristwatch commissioned by the Queen of Naples.

Rank #5 Audemars Piguet
Audemars Piguet
Rank #5
Overall score 97.5
Avg Price $40,154
Founded in 1875
Origin Switzerland
Craftsmanship 9.7
Reliability 9.8
Investment 9.3
Recognition 8.58

Breguet is ranked #5 at watchesranking.com in High end Luxury category

Editor's Review:Audemars Piguet watch company has been designing and manufacturing exceptional Swiss luxury timepieces Since 1875. In 1972 the creation of the famous Audemars Piguet Royal Oak watch, mankind's first high-end steel sports watch, established Audemars Piguet's widespread popularity and prestige in the watch industry. From the simplest styles to the most intricate complications, Audemars Piguet watch collections continue to astonish collectors and watch aficionados with their beauty, elegance, and sophiscated

spiky

都是好表，喜欢朗格1，喜欢理查德，喜欢5016，喜欢很多

kirkwang

敢问BG的陀飞轮万年三问是哪一款？

weirei

kirkwang 发表于 2012-4-25 02:19
对不起，昨天晚上喝多了，看贴时字都认不全了。早上起来看到自己回的愚蠢贴，吓得一身冷汗。但论坛又没有 ...

呵呵，说清楚就行了，不过也不用吓得一身冷汗吧[s:101]。 继续关注。

不浪费表情

本以为是个学习贴，看了这么久原来还是口水贴。这里绝大多数人不是大师，聊天随便都可以，但貌似义愤填膺地点评顶级表的子丑寅卯好像我们份量不够。何况大部分人恐怕只有个把的顶级表，甚至没有，然而也学着钟大师等收藏家品头论足、指点江山，就不禁让人哑然失笑了。

daniel-dz

飞龙公子66 发表于 2012-4-9 18:32
你说PP的机芯比朗格的好，请问好在哪里？你说朗格的打磨比较讨巧，请问何为打磨比较讨巧？

很多年前看过国外TIMEZONE上的评价，零件一个个拆开后，PP在看不见的地方每个零件的打磨和看的到的地方是一样的，看的出打磨的目的主要是为了减小摩擦和误差（功能性的），而显然在外观上（尤其背透上）AL比PP漂亮的多，但是内部机芯的每个零件的打磨却不如PP。 当然这是多年前的结论，现在是否如此我没太注意。

AL 一直以来用德国银，也就是白铜做夹板，好处是耐腐蚀，易雕刻，缺点是太软，我见过照片，普通的师傅用平常的修表工具保养AL，结果夹板（AL最漂亮的夹板！）被划的一塌糊涂，彻底完蛋。 而GO 和其他表用的不锈钢却硬很多。也就是AL 必须回原厂保养。当然买AL的人也都不可能不在原厂保养的，但是，如果。。。